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JFK assassinations if you think they got

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sloppy with JFK wait until you see how

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sloppy they got with Bobby

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lot of people have and a lot of JFK and

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Bobby assassination investigators have

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was the CIA involved in the

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the planning undertaking and carrying

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this and uh show it like it's never been

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considering they actually own the gun

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Blast Off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast AKA hero paranormal

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broadcasting from the base at la Madre

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Mountain just south of area 51. my name

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is Ryan the anomalous ambassador of the

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airwaves bringing you an unbelievable

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on today's episode we have a fantastic

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individual an amazing person and someone

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that I have to just get it out there I

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actually love I love them they are near

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and dear to my heart in fact they are

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family and that is Lori Banks uh it's my

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wife's sister now

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Lori is a dynamic individual who has

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conquered Corporate America in ways that

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are so difficult to explain but that's

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not what we're going to get into we are

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going to get into the conspiracy and the

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fact that she owns a fantastic piece of

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History the actual gun that killed Bobby

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Kennedy not only that she has managed to

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amazingly vast amount of information

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surrounding the entire ordeal situation

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and the case in general

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she has done a lot of investigative work

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done a lot of research and contacted a

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lot of individuals involved with this

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and a ongoing and developing

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investigation but what we have so far is

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fascinating it's enough to reverse

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engineer unwind and finally shed some

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light on something that is one of the

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darkest events in American history

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Lori Banks possesses more than 20 years

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of progressive business experience which

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MBA from Pepperdine University she has

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accounts a senior director of sales

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strategy head of business for North

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senior advisor no slouch when it comes

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and understands that human relationships

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are what make things happen now this is

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important because Human Relationships

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come into play when it

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comes to this particular conspiracy

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the death of two brothers

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undertaken by various arms of

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intelligence worldwide now this is

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of Bobby Kennedy as well there are a lot

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of records that had previously been

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percent of those records may now be

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transparency we wish we had however we

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correlation to intelligence what I'm

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assassinations now Tucker Carlson

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person who was deeply familiar with what

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did the CIA have a hand in the murder of

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John F Kennedy an American president

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they were involved it's a whole

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different country from what we thought

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it was it's all fake so there it is it's

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all fake what we are told through

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mainstream media is usually not correct

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and unfortunately this has been hidden

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nothing at all makes you wonder how bad

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could it actually be right if we did

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have information on this in particular

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not children we are not going to go off

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the handle what we might do

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unfortunately is destroy the Central

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of the JFK assassination is that there

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agents and contractors designated decoys

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intelligence community and take your

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Lori Banks welcome to the hero

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hello Ryan thanks so much for having me

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this is just a treat because I know

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have a lot of involvement surrounding

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the Bobby Kennedy assassination but it's

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weapon used to kill him how where where

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um some facts about the assassination

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and then take you through how I got

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involved with this you know very

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historic assassination

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assassination so Robert Kennedy was

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assassinated on June 5th 1968 at The

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Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles which

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many of us know he had just won the

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um and he actually after being shot in

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the pantry right after his speech he

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dressed as a waiter and all accounts and

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important is because the themed Corner

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Thomas naguchi said that the Fatal

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bullet came from behind in other words

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the gunman had to have been standing

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behind Kennedy to have killed him not

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two and a half feet in front of him so

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what's interesting about this is that

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there are so many conspiracies theories

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out there

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that you know lead to how did Robert

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Kennedy actually die and he was

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responsible for killing him and that's

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interesting because there's several

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theories that have arrived first of all

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it's important to note that Kennedy was

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actually shot three times the Fatal shot

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was behind his ear and it was within an

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inch of his again so the gun was very

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close to the back of his neck right

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below his right ear

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he had another shot that was hired and

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then one that tore through his arm and

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so there were three shots and then five

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other people in the pantry were shot and

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seven of the bullets that were shot were

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actually found within those bodies so

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there were two in Kennedy five and five

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other people and then one that torture

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his arm would have gone somewhere in the

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wall so hands gun only held it was a 22

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pistol and it only held eight shots

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um and this is really important because

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um they found many bullet holes in the

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walls and the door frames of the pantry

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so if seven bullets were embedded you

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should have only found one more bullet

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in the walls but they had uh bullet

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holes and other things and really many

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people suggest the bullets kind of you

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know skipped around the room and then

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launched in the people but we all know

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that's kind of silly

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um the the three three different sort of

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conspiracies

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um hang around three concepts one is a

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Manchurian Candidate but for hamster

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hand because he's a Palestinian

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immigrant was confronted by the CIA and

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was psychologically programmed to kill

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Kennedy because to this day he doesn't

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have any memory of that night

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the second theory is the polka dot

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Theory there was a lady in the polka dot

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dress that

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um you know was very suspicious and they

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believe that maybe

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um you know she was in various locations

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at The Ambassador Hotel and she had CIA

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ties and there's a lot of um you know

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interests surrounding her and then the

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third

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um

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sort of conspiracy theory is around the

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second gunman and that's sort of where I

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come in right so there was this uh

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security guard who was hired by Ace

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security detail to be at the Ambassador

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Hotel that night and the gun or the

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security guard that actually was

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standing to the right of Kennedy

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ushering him through the pantry was a

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guy by the name of Bane Caesar

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I'm not saying Eugene Caesar to be

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cooked and he was in firing position now

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he claims he had a 38 pistol on him that

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night it's interesting after the

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assassination he disappeared and then

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showed up later and so by the time they

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did get to him you know he had a 38.

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later in interviews about two weeks

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later by the FBI saying Caesar said he

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did have a Harrington and Richardson 22

364
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pistol but had sold it before the

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assassination

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so just a little bit of background right

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so FBI never recovered is 22 and the you

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know future president of the United

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States is dead now where I come into

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this rain is in

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2005 time frame I started a company

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called Chapman Ventures and we were

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financing uh entertainment projects in

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LA and I had met a producer named Beau

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Carson and Bo talked to me about this

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project that he had gotten involved

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with the FBI called in the company of

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spies that he had produced in the early

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90s and after he produced that movie an

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FBI agent said hey if you like this one

381
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you should go to this small town in

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Arkansas and do some digging and it's

383
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around the second gun Theory and so I

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was immediately hooked after hearing

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beau's story about what happened in this

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small town in you know 1968 1969 right

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up after the assassination and I

388
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:51,600
immediately signed to the rights of the

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producer the script and

390
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um you know all of the persons involved

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that were still alive

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this is fascinating and this is where I

393
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really this is where I get blown away is

394
00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:06,179
this small town in Arkansas and the

395
00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:09,059
second gun Theory this has so there's so

396
00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:10,679
much going on when it comes to Thane

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Caesar

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00:18:16,909 --> 00:18:15,240
my goodness where do we start what are

399
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your thoughts of this is where I think

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the story gets wild with the children

401
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:22,440
the kids the how how do we how do we how

402
00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:26,400
do we jump off to that yeah so uh what

403
00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:28,860
happens and I'm just gonna start of the

404
00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:31,980
uh gentleman named as Jim Yoder and all

405
00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:34,919
of this you can research publicly uh Jim

406
00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:37,140
Yoder worked at Lockheed Martin with

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00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:40,260
singing Eugene Caesar he had bought um a

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pistol from saying Caesar and actually

409
00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:45,539
was an avid gun collector he had a bunch

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of guns he moved to Blue Mountain

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00:18:54,289 --> 00:18:50,760
Arkansas when he retired and

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00:18:57,710 --> 00:18:54,299
um basically ran uh you know lived lived

413
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in this small town and became friends

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00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:59,580
with a lot of the you know the youth and

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the small town I think there was

416
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probably a couple hundred people that

417
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lived there at the time and they used to

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00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,840
like to come talk to him he was sort of

419
00:19:11,690 --> 00:19:09,360
this like little old hermit from LA and

420
00:19:12,529 --> 00:19:11,700
they found him interesting and these

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00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:12,539
kids

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um there were three or four of them and

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they were you know 10 to 13 at the time

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uh the group of them they had this

425
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Nemesis named old Joe and Old Joe was a

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snapping turtle down at their favorite

427
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:27,960
swimming Pond and they were scared to

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00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:31,200
death of him he was like you know the uh

429
00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:33,480
the great white in the ocean right and

430
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,340
they were scared of of him biting off

431
00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:37,679
their fingers and and they decided they

432
00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:40,620
were going to take out old Joe and so to

433
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:42,600
do this they needed a gun so they went

434
00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:44,220
over and they broke into Jim Yoder's

435
00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:46,860
house and guess what they stole a

436
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,660
Harrington and Richard it's been 22

437
00:19:53,770 --> 00:19:51,360
pistol previously owned by Thane Caesar

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00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:53,780
now these kids had no idea at the time

439
00:19:58,669 --> 00:19:56,520
what was about to happen to them because

440
00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:58,679
of this this gun that was now in their

441
00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:00,780
possession they had no no inkling

442
00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:04,500
whatsoever so they basically went down

443
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:05,940
and tried to shoot the turtle I don't

444
00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:08,340
think they ever got the turtle but

445
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:10,980
um you know some bad people show up in

446
00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:12,900
Blue Mountain right around you know

447
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:16,020
within three months of Yoder being

448
00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:17,520
located there

449
00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:21,000
and they're the next door neighbor

450
00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:24,059
to Jim Yoder was a guy by the name of

451
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:27,240
Blackie blackwall and he was shot

452
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:30,480
through his screen door by a gentleman

453
00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:34,559
from Los Angeles and as as Yoder as I'm

454
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:36,360
sorry Blackie Blackwell died in the

455
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:38,460
ambulance he said they were looking for

456
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:40,740
Jim Yoder and we think it was a mistake

457
00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:43,559
mistaken identity so the guy was

458
00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:46,500
eventually caught in a nearby he was

459
00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:49,020
hiding in a boat nearby and they

460
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:51,960
actually caught him but prior to all of

461
00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:55,200
this happening there were several deaths

462
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:57,539
mysterious deaths of these children in a

463
00:21:01,970 --> 00:21:00,539
small town one was uh accident they

464
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:01,980
called it an accidental drowning but

465
00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:03,179
they found him drowned in the lake

466
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,120
another one was run down on his bicycle

467
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,820
and he was killed and another one died

468
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:11,280
mysteriously so three of the five kids

469
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:13,740
or six kids that had stolen this gun

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00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:17,340
turn up dead in the same year

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00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:18,900
um and salt is positive for a second

472
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:21,780
because you know these kids uh basically

473
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:25,320
had no idea why people were coming in

474
00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:27,720
town and you know harassing them and

475
00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:30,539
chasing them and scaring them in efforts

476
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,059
to find this gun and

477
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,039
um and many of them paid you know the

478
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,320
ultimate sacrifice for it

479
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and it does seem as if things kind of I

480
00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:41,340
mean

481
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:44,340
they got wild because Blue Mountain is a

482
00:21:51,529 --> 00:21:48,320
very small town I mean Tiny Town and

483
00:21:54,110 --> 00:21:51,539
it's wild to me that

484
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,120
you know the if you want to call it the

485
00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:56,280
the death that kind of fell upon this

486
00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:58,860
Tiny Town where coincidences might

487
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,799
happen in large towns but in small towns

488
00:22:05,870 --> 00:22:03,419
it's a lot easier to point at those

489
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:05,880
coincidences as not being coincidences

490
00:22:10,850 --> 00:22:08,940
at all and I think it's also important

491
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:10,860
to point out when it comes to Sirhan

492
00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:15,240
Sirhan that RFK Jr doesn't believe and

493
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,640
didn't believe that sir hanserhan The

494
00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:19,679
Man convicted of assassinating his

495
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:22,679
father on June 5th 1968 had anything

496
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:25,919
really to do with it so there's a lot of

497
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,340
strange uh intelligence ties that come

498
00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:31,919
in but let's get back to the small town

499
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:34,760
of Arkansas because this is well amazing

500
00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:38,280
yeah and so basically

501
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:40,679
um Bo Carson went to a small town in

502
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:45,360
1993 and you know found these kids

503
00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:47,340
um who were at this point you know

504
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,880
alcoholics they had a lot of you know

505
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:52,140
psychological problems and Our Lives

506
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,640
because of what happened to their

507
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:55,919
friends when they were younger and so Bo

508
00:23:02,029 --> 00:22:57,960
got together with them and signed all of

509
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:02,039
their rights he met with Jim Yoder Jim

510
00:23:06,730 --> 00:23:04,140
Yoder showed him a handwritten receipt

511
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:06,740
which we actually have a copy of but

512
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,720
says when he bought the Harrington and

513
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,960
Richardson 22 pistol it was signed by

514
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:14,820
Saint Caesar and it had a date on it

515
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,860
which was actually three months after

516
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,440
the assassination so basically things

517
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:22,200
Caesar lied to the investigators about

518
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:24,659
you know the fact that he had a gun he

519
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,220
had it during this vaccination and he

520
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,080
didn't sell it until afterwards

521
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:30,720
but back to this town so Beau signed

522
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:33,000
everyone's rights and started spending a

523
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,440
lot of time there and going through the

524
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,240
story and had a scriptwriter with them

525
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,240
and you know the whole idea was to like

526
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,760
you know find out what happened

527
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,220
um in this town as a consequence of the

528
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:45,600
assassination

529
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,140
and finally asked these kids uh you know

530
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:51,120
who are now grown up and said so what

531
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,919
did you guys do with the gun

532
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:54,600
and they said well we threw it in this

533
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:57,720
Pond and they went out and they showed

534
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:01,020
Beau the location of the pond and so

535
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:02,700
Beau came in with some heavy equipment

536
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,940
and they started digging up a pond and

537
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,400
you know sifting through all the mud and

538
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,559
with metal detectors and everything and

539
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,720
they were about two weeks into the Dig

540
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,640
and Bo just thought oh these guys are

541
00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,320
just taking me for my money you know

542
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:18,780
there's nothing here but he remembered

543
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,539
that they had um talked about having a

544
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:23,460
Red Rider BB gun that they also had

545
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:26,280
thrown into the pond and Beau got a call

546
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,260
he was in LA and they said we just found

547
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,840
this metal

548
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,640
handle of this Red Rider BB gun and so

549
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:34,679
in the Ben Beau knew that they they were

550
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:35,940
telling the truth and within another

551
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,179
week they had found the gun and so both

552
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,559
flew back out

553
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:43,020
took possession of the gun did a but I

554
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,460
mean this whole thing is documented with

555
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:47,100
pictures and everything and while they

556
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,340
were digging up the lake they had a lot

557
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,020
of mysterious helicopters military

558
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,480
helicopters and other people flying over

559
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:56,820
and we just had a very uncomfortable

560
00:25:02,210 --> 00:24:59,100
feeling about what they were doing but

561
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,220
Beau was able to recover the gun and

562
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:06,000
um brought it back to LA and at one

563
00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:07,559
point the gun was sold to a gun

564
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:09,500
collector in Texas

565
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:13,679
and that's kind of how it ended up ended

566
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:18,720
up in my hands so going into 2007

567
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:21,720
um I decided to you know having the gun

568
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,600
in possession would be amazing from a

569
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:26,640
marketing perspective keep in mind I

570
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,200
wasn't trying to solve an assassination

571
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:30,480
mystery I was only trying to make a

572
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,240
movie and so my business partner and I

573
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,120
purchased uh this 22 revolver for about

574
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,000
sixty thousand dollars and we had a

575
00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:41,820
private detective uh fly to Texas and

576
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:45,059
and drive it back to us and the night

577
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:48,779
that I received the um the gun right

578
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,840
they brought it to my house was

579
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:53,880
um the night that an Entertainment

580
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,760
Tonight report broke suggesting that

581
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,679
there were 13 shots

582
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,320
um uh heard in the pantry that night so

583
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,059
they found an audio recording in the

584
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,940
California state archives and

585
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,380
um when they listened to it and they

586
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:10,020
analyzed it they realized that there

587
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:14,159
were 13 shot sounds not 8 but 13. and

588
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,900
this kind of held up to what the

589
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:17,520
eyewitnesses said that you know there

590
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:20,340
was a lot of shots being fired and there

591
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:21,960
were bullet holes in the walls and in

592
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,020
the the door jambs and so

593
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,360
um once they like positively identified

594
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,580
this 13 shot down which was on

595
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:32,159
Entertainment Tonight on my TV the model

596
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,200
was receiving the gun in Los Angeles I

597
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,200
kind of freaked out Ryan I was like oh

598
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,480
my gosh you guys just bought um just the

599
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:41,279
timing of it right that it would be on

600
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:43,740
the exact night that I was receiving

601
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:46,740
this gun and so I was scared I was like

602
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,340
holy crap you know at this point I I

603
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,100
didn't really know for sure if there was

604
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:55,679
something to this but you know if you go

605
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,740
look at anything online same Caesar Is

606
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:00,840
frequent only cited as most likely

607
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:03,299
candidate for the for the second gunman

608
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:07,260
right yeah and I now owned his gun and I

609
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:08,340
owned it

610
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,179
um after this recovery and this uh you

611
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:13,799
know this documentary hits on

612
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,740
Entertainment Tonight and it was pretty

613
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:18,779
scary it was pretty concerning

614
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,179
um so at that point I called my

615
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,100
attorneys and I had them meet me at

616
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,960
downtown Beverly Hills and we put it

617
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,880
into a safety deposit box at that point

618
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,559
I had to get it out of my possession I

619
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:30,480
was really scared that night I thought

620
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,460
potentially you know something terrible

621
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:35,039
could happen and you know I don't want

622
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,020
to have this thing in my possession so

623
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,640
it went from really wanting it to market

624
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,760
the film to being like Oh my gosh you

625
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,860
know I I may have just fought the gun

626
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:46,740
that killed Robert F Kennedy and it was

627
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,320
it was just a crazy

628
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,559
um you know realization that this was

629
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:55,440
really a real thing right and I think

630
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:57,860
that's that's when it hit me by the way

631
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,860
Blue Mountain is also a hot spot for CIA

632
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,600
so I don't know if you ever saw the

633
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,480
movie about Tom Cruise as the pilot when

634
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:08,340
he was going down to Central America and

635
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:11,100
running drugs and yeah air America yeah

636
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:13,559
yeah bringing gorillas in and training

637
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:16,980
them that was Arkansas and in the same

638
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:17,820
area

639
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,100
um as to what happened so you know that

640
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:21,900
area of Arkansas has always been a hot

641
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:26,039
spot for for CIA activity

642
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:27,900
but anyway so

643
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:30,900
and just really quick just so people I

644
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,299
you know this blew me away just how

645
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:35,820
small a town this was and you know the

646
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:39,240
population then was around 120 I think

647
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:43,679
in 2010 it was 124 and in 2021 it was 86

648
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,679
just to kind of give people an idea that

649
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,779
this you know these big things happening

650
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,340
in a small town are not coincidence

651
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:52,740
sorry to interrupt you there yeah I know

652
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,320
I mean there were four murderers

653
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:57,480
um that year in Blue Mountain three of

654
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:58,679
them were well

655
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,740
the the kids murders the one on the bike

656
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,900
we know for sure was a hit and run and

657
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:05,820
then the other two were mysterious but

658
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:08,940
you know four in a in a year right right

659
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,820
after this Fascination so you know I I

660
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:14,039
was thinking okay there's too many

661
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:17,220
coincidences here right first of all uh

662
00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:19,020
you have this gun that ends up in this

663
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:21,080
very small town as you've just suggested

664
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,679
and all hell breaks loose right and if a

665
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,720
gun had no relevance in the

666
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:29,760
assassination then why did people from

667
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,000
La come out looking for Jim Yoder and

668
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,760
secondly we think kill Blackie Blackwell

669
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,039
why would these kids and these kids

670
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,279
stories Ryan I mean they were chased

671
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:43,980
through the woods they had very very

672
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,880
detailed explanations of people coming

673
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,919
and hunting them down and looking for

674
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:51,299
them and their friends started to

675
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,179
mysteriously die and so they just wanted

676
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:55,919
to get rid of a gun now at one point

677
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,279
they buried a gun the gun under a bridge

678
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,980
and so FBI came to town apparently

679
00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:03,600
looking for the gun and they dug up the

680
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:04,460
bridge

681
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:07,740
to find the weapon and what's

682
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,620
interesting about that is that

683
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,679
um if you go back and look that um you

684
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,240
know they told basically the people in

685
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,799
town that they were doing some

686
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:18,240
excavation work and they were building a

687
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:19,799
budget they never suggested they were

688
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,740
looking for a weapon and all of the

689
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,000
police reports for Blue Mountain

690
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:26,820
Arkansas are missing the entire year of

691
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:28,980
1969

692
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,100
so it's just um there's just too many

693
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,039
coincidences right as to you know the

694
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,140
gun shows up and then all hell breaks

695
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:39,899
loose four people lose their lives

696
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:44,159
um and so you know if if the gun had

697
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,020
just killed Kennedy

698
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,059
that would be one thing but the fact

699
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,360
that there's so much more to the history

700
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,520
of this gun and how it ends up in a

701
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,720
small town and people start paying

702
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:56,580
paying for it with their lives

703
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:59,880
so I get the gun in 2007

704
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:02,580
um we put it into a safety deposit box

705
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:04,440
for a couple of years

706
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:07,140
um and then I moved to LA to Las Vegas

707
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,179
we had a really hard time raising money

708
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,520
for the film it had been shopped pretty

709
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:13,440
hard in 1998

710
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:16,860
um you know to all of the you know uh

711
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,159
Studios and to you know big big level

712
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,080
producers you know we took it by Robert

713
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,380
Redford it went by Sean Penn you know we

714
00:31:30,169 --> 00:31:27,419
had all sorts of actors and actresses

715
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,179
you know picked out for it and we wanted

716
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,679
to make a movie we just could never get

717
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:33,419
to the the eight million dollars that we

718
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,299
needed for the budget of the film so I I

719
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,740
decided to take a break from the film

720
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:39,840
business and I sat on the gun for a very

721
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:44,100
long time I would say from 2007 until

722
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:47,220
um you know just recently the gun was

723
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,140
sort of out of sight out of mind from my

724
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,419
perspective

725
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:53,640
um and you know I feel

726
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,700
um kind of a heavy responsibility for

727
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,559
having it tucked away for so long

728
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,840
especially since her hands or hand has

729
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:02,700
always claimed innocence and is now

730
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:03,960
trying to get out of jail and you

731
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:07,320
mentioned Robert Kennedy Jr also

732
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:09,659
supports that claim and they want to get

733
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:12,020
him out of jail he was just denied bail

734
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:15,179
recently he's you know pretty old now

735
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:18,179
and he wants to go home and be with his

736
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:20,279
brother and die at home the kids spent

737
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:22,260
his entire life in jail potentially for

738
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:24,299
a crime he didn't commit

739
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,899
it yeah it's for sure it does seem like

740
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,820
they're just keeping him in jail to kind

741
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,340
of keep the narrative tied you know

742
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,500
together because

743
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,919
at this point I mean since Thane Caesar

744
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,840
died and I should note that he died in

745
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:42,240
the Philippines I believe in 2021 yes

746
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,179
and Robert F Kennedy that we just died

747
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:47,039
last year I mean that's fairly recent

748
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,539
you would think at this point they would

749
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:50,220
just give up the ghost but it does seem

750
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,860
like these these old these old habits

751
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,659
die hard and that the intelligence

752
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,880
Community is just trying to turn a blind

753
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:58,559
eye to this hoping people forget about

754
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,039
it that's right and I think um all of

755
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,860
those the three conspiracy theories that

756
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,360
I talked about I think are all

757
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,059
interlinked I think if you wanted to

758
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,000
take out a high-powered uh official that

759
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:14,159
was about to become president

760
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,100
um you would have the pansy you know

761
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:19,200
shooting to create chaos but you would

762
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,820
have a backup you would have somebody

763
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,860
that was actually going to take the

764
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,440
Fatal shot so I think things Caesar was

765
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:27,360
involved I think Sirhan was involved

766
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,659
through hypnosis and uh you know there

767
00:33:33,850 --> 00:33:33,000
is a lot to be said around the polka dot

768
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,860
dress

769
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:36,960
there's a documentary that I've started

770
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,480
to work on this previous year I was

771
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,640
asked by a production company I can't go

772
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:43,200
into too many details because I'm under

773
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,799
a confidentiality agreement but they

774
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:48,600
came out and did some filming of us and

775
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,220
we I went through the story and my

776
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,320
husband and the kids and we were you

777
00:33:56,169 --> 00:33:54,659
know talking about it we were able to

778
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:56,179
present the gun

779
00:34:03,669 --> 00:33:59,820
and about six months ago I flew out to

780
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:03,679
LA and we had a famous

781
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,220
ballistics uh forensic uh person come

782
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,740
out and they did testing on the gun we

783
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:13,379
were able to to fire I think uh 12

784
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,580
bullets

785
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,159
now I will tell you that so the guns in

786
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:19,440
working order we filed filed the fired

787
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,040
the bullets and we're

788
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,240
awaiting access into California state

789
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:26,760
archives to compare the bullets now

790
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:30,540
going back to what happened in 1968

791
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:33,000
there was a bullet pulled from wyzel

792
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,859
which is one of the the gentlemen in the

793
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:36,480
room and a bullet pulled from Kennedy

794
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:38,460
and they did not match

795
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,139
in other words they could not have been

796
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,940
fired from the same gun

797
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,220
and it's also said that the two bullets

798
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:46,679
pulled from Kennedy did not match the

799
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:50,580
Iverson 22 revolver that Sirhan had so

800
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:53,460
you have two really credit critical

801
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:56,940
pieces of evidence one thing there were

802
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,339
two guns because we have different you

803
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,760
know casing marks on these bullets and

804
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:04,800
the one that we you know the two bullets

805
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,119
we pulled from Kennedy didn't match

806
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:09,359
their handstand so right there nothing

807
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:11,720
including that there were more bullets

808
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,660
found in the walls and the door jambs

809
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:18,000
um and so hands gun only held eight and

810
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,040
we have an audio recording positively

811
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,280
identifying 13 shot counts so for all of

812
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,200
this to for all of this to happen I

813
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,880
think all of those theories kind of had

814
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:28,980
to work together I think you you had to

815
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,859
have CIA present you had to have a pansy

816
00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:34,140
which was Sir hands her hand you had to

817
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,099
have

818
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:37,920
um you know the actual assassin and by

819
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:38,820
the way

820
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:41,540
um things Caesar had high level security

821
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:46,200
at Lockheed Martin where he worked and

822
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,900
um there's a lot more to this story than

823
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:50,880
we can even get into but

824
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:53,339
um there's definitely

825
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,480
questions in my mind every day as her

826
00:36:02,329 --> 00:35:59,700
hand sits in jail because if their hand

827
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,339
did not fire the Lethal Weapon or the

828
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,040
lethal bullet that killed Kennedy then

829
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:08,040
he committed attempted murder and he

830
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,740
would be out of jail by now for sure and

831
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,480
I think it's super scary as you

832
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,460
mentioned uh there's a bunch of things I

833
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,260
don't want to forget as you mentioned

834
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:18,119
you have a family it's super scary that

835
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,500
you've been sitting on the gun this long

836
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:21,960
because it seems like this weapon has a

837
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,140
history of whoever it's around ends up

838
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:28,320
dead and there's a long a long trail of

839
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:30,300
that especially in that small town of

840
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:33,300
Arkansas Blue Mountain and with I'm also

841
00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:35,220
really glad that I mean this is horrific

842
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:37,160
so I think you're doing the right thing

843
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,020
keeping it but keeping it safe and I

844
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,940
think well I will I will call you Ryan

845
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:42,960
so

846
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,880
not at our residential location it is in

847
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:50,640
a very safe place now I did have to

848
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:53,420
travel with the gun to LA

849
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,480
you know when I uh basically when I took

850
00:37:01,970 --> 00:36:59,880
it out for the forensics so the

851
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:01,980
ballistic testing um and that was scary

852
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,099
right and I I remember even going you

853
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,720
know at the hotel if we went up to the

854
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,640
pool I took it with me

855
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,040
um it you know it was a locked case and

856
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:13,260
I never let it out of my sight because

857
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,680
of the historical significance of what I

858
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,020
believe it is and I really am doing

859
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:21,480
everything now to try to

860
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:24,599
um to try to prove along with the people

861
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:27,180
very much involved in in the documentary

862
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:28,760
that's going to be coming out

863
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,500
that talks about all of these conspiracy

864
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,140
theories and how they're interwoven and

865
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,000
how it's just not possible that Sirhan

866
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:38,820
Sirhan killed Kennedy agreed and I'm so

867
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,700
glad you said that it's and I'm also

868
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,980
glad that you mentioned the hypnosis

869
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,720
when it comes to Sir hanser hand because

870
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,060
that brings up a really big point which

871
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:50,820
is William Joseph Bryan who he was kind

872
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,420
of one of these mad scientist types and

873
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:56,880
um not taking away from Thane Caesar

874
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:00,720
having very strange classified uh

875
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,520
programs that he was involved with in

876
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,440
his section of lockheed's Burbank

877
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,660
facility I mean what are the odds that

878
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:08,640
Thane Caesar is moonlighting as a

879
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,579
security guard and and I think he only

880
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,680
landed the job about a week earlier and

881
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,200
then we have this this other kind of mad

882
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,680
scientist guy William Joseph Bryan who

883
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,079
many have called sirhan's Handler who

884
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,000
was involved with psychological warfare

885
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:26,480
working with the CIA during the Cold War

886
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:29,339
and uh he founded the American Institute

887
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,579
of hypnosis I mean he's not a slack so

888
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,800
there's I I do believe that there's a

889
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,480
little bit if we want to call it MK

890
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:37,920
Ultra I don't want to sound too crazy

891
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,220
but a little bit of uh crime Cinder

892
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:43,920
could like operative situation with

893
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,640
Brian as far as him working for the CIA

894
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:49,920
and possibly doing their bidding

895
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,859
absolutely and you know this theory was

896
00:38:59,650 --> 00:38:55,320
supported by psychologic uh

897
00:39:03,470 --> 00:38:59,660
psychologists and hypnosis expert Edward

898
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,480
Simpson callus he did 35 hours of work

899
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,400
with Sirhan at San Quentin prison in

900
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,040
1969 the hand claim then and has

901
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,079
continued to claim to have no memory

902
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:12,900
whatsoever of the assassination or to

903
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,200
aftermath and this is supported by the

904
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:18,839
work that you know 35 hours of hypnosis

905
00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:23,400
work that they did with Sirhan and to

906
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,660
have lawyers in 2010 accuse the CIA of

907
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,099
hypnotizing their hand through the MK

908
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,260
Ultra program and making him an

909
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,359
involuntary participant in the

910
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,220
assassination

911
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,560
man and it does seem I mean it sounds

912
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:40,619
really bad but it does seem as if these

913
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:43,560
things as tightly

914
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:46,020
planned as they are and this goes with

915
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,040
both uh Bobby and JFK that there's

916
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:52,440
always sort of that unwinding of the

917
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,660
script that they don't count on and they

918
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,119
come and try to clean up quickly and it

919
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:59,339
gets messy I think that this this deal

920
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:01,980
got pretty messy in the small town in

921
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,920
Arkansas with with how how quickly they

922
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:06,780
try to just clean things up and it's

923
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,300
evident as well with Oswald

924
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,400
um as you know as Jack Ruby takes him

925
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:13,380
out I mean again another coincidence I

926
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:14,579
don't think so I think they're just

927
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,099
cleaning things up so that they're neat

928
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,400
and tidy and we have similar kind of uh

929
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,760
playbooks on both as far as you know the

930
00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:25,980
lone gunman this magic bullet theory

931
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:28,940
kind of uh popping up in both scenarios

932
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,220
and it's obvious looking at the notes

933
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:34,920
that this is uh this gets this gets

934
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,859
Unwound just by luck itself it seems and

935
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:39,780
that they are fairly messy when they

936
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:42,420
come in and just try to clean it all up

937
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,780
uh-huh yeah absolutely

938
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,339
um now a lot of people say well why

939
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,260
didn't they go after Spain well because

940
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,960
they have their pansy there was no need

941
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,119
to go after anyone because it would just

942
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,280
support you know it would not support

943
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,220
the claim that Duran has fired alone but

944
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,720
for someone to take out President

945
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:02,940
Kennedy it wouldn't have been a 24 year

946
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:05,579
old Christian Palestinian you know

947
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,079
immigrant that you know was I mean he

948
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,200
had no reason to do it right and doesn't

949
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,900
remember anything and things these are

950
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:17,460
another thing that we found out was

951
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,240
stain Caesar uh received 250 000 in

952
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,640
diamonds shortly after the assassination

953
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,500
and that's when he moved to the

954
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:28,140
Philippines so there's a lot of

955
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:29,460
interesting things that are going to

956
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:30,599
come out

957
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:31,260
um

958
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,720
that you know once it comes out of

959
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,460
course we'll we'll get back online and

960
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:40,260
we'll talk to you some more

961
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:41,820
um because what I'm talking to you about

962
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:46,260
is just one layer and this assassination

963
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,280
is so complex it will be like peeling a

964
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:52,020
bunch of layers off an onion I mean

965
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,460
you're not even going to believe the

966
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,500
evidence that

967
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,780
um you know my producing partner has has

968
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,579
dug up on this whole thing now her

969
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,380
interest in it her name's Denise her

970
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,480
interest in the assassination is that

971
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:05,520
her dad was a reporter and he was at the

972
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:07,859
Ambassador Hotel that night and he knows

973
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:09,960
for certain that their hands her hand

974
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,540
did not um did not act alone

975
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,020
and was always just convinced convinced

976
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,359
and he died three years ago and so

977
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,640
Denise is carrying this through and she

978
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:22,380
also thinks that sir hands her hand is

979
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:24,180
wrongly imprisoned and that's another

980
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:26,180
reason she meets with him all the time

981
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:28,980
they are trying to you know get the

982
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:32,400
ballistics from my bullets from my gun

983
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,339
um through testing so they can provide

984
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,220
evidence now one of the things that um

985
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,500
sirhan's attorneys had said was that

986
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,160
bullets were switched so

987
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:47,599
in 2011 sirhan's defense attorney

988
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:51,720
William pepper and Lori dusek filed a

989
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,820
62-page brief in the court asserting

990
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,740
that a bullet used as evidence to

991
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,180
convicts her hand was switched to

992
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,099
another bullet of crime scene

993
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,380
the brief claims that this was done

994
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,940
because the bullet taken from Kennedy's

995
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,040
neck did not match their hands gun so

996
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,440
again keep in mind that deadly shot was

997
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,839
fired within one inch of his neck and

998
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,240
the only person that was in that firing

999
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,760
position was Spain Caesar he was on his

1000
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,800
right side escorting him sort of through

1001
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,500
the pantry another interesting fact is

1002
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:22,200
you can find pictures of Kennedy laying

1003
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:24,119
on the ground as he was after he was

1004
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,420
shot and Thane Caesar's necktie is

1005
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,920
laying right next to his body on the

1006
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,380
right side and that way he wasn't done

1007
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:33,420
at last time I apologize and there's

1008
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,339
pictures of things Caesar before and

1009
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,319
after with the necktie on and without

1010
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:39,780
the necktie so what that proves to us is

1011
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:43,079
we know that what do you do if somebody

1012
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,819
starts to shoot you from the right what

1013
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,619
do you do your natural reaction is to

1014
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:48,960
lean in and kind of grab onto them right

1015
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,420
and that we believe he grabbed on and

1016
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:53,520
pulled the necktie off it before he fell

1017
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:57,300
this is fascinating and I think Thane

1018
00:44:01,609 --> 00:44:00,060
Caesar is such a unique character not

1019
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,619
only the fact that compelling evidence

1020
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,319
that suggests he did it the fact that he

1021
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:06,000
received these diamonds that he left the

1022
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,200
country and you know Moonlighting as a

1023
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,660
security guard it's almost as if being

1024
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,819
an employee in this classified section

1025
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,460
of lockheed's Burbank facility what are

1026
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,560
the odds that he would be with

1027
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,540
government ties and then Moonlighting as

1028
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,339
a security guard

1029
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,460
um coming back to this interesting kind

1030
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,220
of Dr Evil character of William Joseph

1031
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:31,740
Bryan Jr the psychological warfare

1032
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:35,760
genius and hypnosis expert I think it's

1033
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,359
interesting that the lawyer of Sir

1034
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,940
hanser hand claims that Sirhan was being

1035
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,339
hypnotized at the time of the

1036
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:46,740
assassination

1037
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,640
and that this gentleman Brian it seems

1038
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,040
ended up dead in a Las Vegas hotel room

1039
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:55,740
apparently he liked call girls but that

1040
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,140
let's get to the can we get into that a

1041
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,480
little bit and how

1042
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,359
um so some of us I can't speak to sure

1043
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:05,880
but I will tell you that

1044
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:09,660
um some of the call girls that you're

1045
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:12,900
referring to he actually bragged about

1046
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,160
bragged to about hypnotizing Sirhan

1047
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,740
um and so like I said when the

1048
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:21,359
documentary comes out of the docuses

1049
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:23,339
whatever we end up making it

1050
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,880
um you're going to see layers and layers

1051
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,319
of facts around these different

1052
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,180
conspiracy theories including the MK

1053
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:33,119
Ultra program which we now almost

1054
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,339
believe we can prove that sir hands or

1055
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:37,380
hand so I'll pick them too

1056
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:40,859
wow and somehow this guy seemed that

1057
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,540
this was okay like he had a different

1058
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,400
moral code than most people he even

1059
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:46,319
wrote a book called legal aspects of

1060
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,000
hypnosis and uh you know it's it's just

1061
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,480
fascinating to me that these Pat I mean

1062
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,880
the deer in the headlights look that sir

1063
00:46:01,849 --> 00:45:59,520
hanser hand had after the event almost

1064
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,859
like what just took place like uh I

1065
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,900
think you know they call it I think they

1066
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:06,420
call it a white fog which is common with

1067
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,180
these MK Ultra victims that all you need

1068
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,180
to do is basically

1069
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:14,880
have them do nothing just basically be

1070
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,380
there and uh in in you know do one

1071
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,839
action which was pulling the gun and

1072
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,819
that's all you need the rest the rest is

1073
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:26,579
all taken care of and

1074
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,099
sir hands lawyer you know has always

1075
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:31,200
maintained that Not only was his client

1076
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:32,760
under hypnosis at the time of the

1077
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,680
shooting but he argued that Sirhan was a

1078
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,240
patsy that was being planned to be

1079
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:41,339
arrested or preferably shot I think they

1080
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,020
really wanted him to be shot that day

1081
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,240
while while the real assassin escaped

1082
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,560
what are your thoughts on that do you

1083
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:48,000
think they were really expecting him to

1084
00:46:52,329 --> 00:46:49,800
be killed

1085
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,339
you know um

1086
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,660
from from my perspective I don't know

1087
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:56,460
because this happened before I was born

1088
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:00,599
yeah yes happened uh in June of 1968 and

1089
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:04,619
I was born in 1973 so who knows I think

1090
00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:05,880
um

1091
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,640
I think

1092
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,040
my my assertion to all of this Ryan is

1093
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:13,980
that same Caesar killed Robert Kennedy

1094
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:17,700
and as you mentioned uh Mr hansenham was

1095
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:19,859
a patsy and he was under MK Ultra

1096
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,579
program and hypnotized and there was CIA

1097
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,319
there

1098
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:27,660
um and I think it was all orchestrated I

1099
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:31,319
think it's a very complex orchestrated

1100
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,920
um

1101
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,800
you know assassination and it's also

1102
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:36,420
considered the most botched

1103
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,000
assassination uh investigation in U.S

1104
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:41,700
history even worse than JFK

1105
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:44,760
um so a lot of the evidence

1106
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,119
um was a was eventually destroyed

1107
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:50,339
um but there are bullets and I think I

1108
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,020
think one of the main pieces of evidence

1109
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,720
that should freeze Sirhan immediately is

1110
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:57,240
the forensic expert saying that they've

1111
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,700
they've positively identified 13 shot

1112
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,040
pounds when I heard that I knew for

1113
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,380
certain that the gun I had just

1114
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,960
purchased most likely was the gun that

1115
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:09,920
killed um Robert Kennedy

1116
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:12,900
wow and you know what's so interesting

1117
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,240
and this is something that totally blows

1118
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:18,180
me away and I I was not very well

1119
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,060
her her stand I didn't have a lot of

1120
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,700
Investigation going into this as far as

1121
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:25,800
the diamond payoff

1122
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,500
to Thane Caesar I mean this may have

1123
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:30,060
ties there's something called the

1124
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,040
gemstone files

1125
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,599
um and there's again so many

1126
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,940
coincidences when it comes to Meyer

1127
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:37,440
Lansky

1128
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,260
um we have Onassis we have and Meyer

1129
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,420
Lansky there's a lot of rumors that well

1130
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,160
not rumors I guess it's proven that he

1131
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:46,380
was working with various intelligence

1132
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:48,119
organizations worldwide including the

1133
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:50,339
Mossad and they would often pay people

1134
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:54,540
in diamonds and this goes back to uh the

1135
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,859
fact that Onassis we have you know he

1136
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:00,839
was involved with the gemstone files and

1137
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:03,780
Meyer Lansky and then we also have you

1138
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,420
know Jackie ending up hanging out with

1139
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,420
Onassis a lot there's so many strange

1140
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:12,660
connections that you know this Meyer

1141
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,020
Lansky guy was involved with both the

1142
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,200
JFK and possibly now with this payoff in

1143
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,780
gemstones the Bobby Kennedy

1144
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,000
assassination I mean

1145
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,640
is as time goes on I mean it's been my

1146
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:28,560
gosh it's been like over 60 years we

1147
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,020
recently have this this new they keep

1148
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:32,880
like sprinkling and peppering a little

1149
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,680
bit of these files opening them and

1150
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:36,960
redacting them we recently had some more

1151
00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:40,980
come out but the fact is that even this

1152
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,980
Administration is not coming forward

1153
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:46,079
with the truth why do you think they are

1154
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:53,870
um that's a good question

1155
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:57,599
um I think clearly because uh

1156
00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:00,420
governmental agencies were involved and

1157
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:01,800
I don't think they wanted to school I

1158
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:04,980
don't think they want it disclosed

1159
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,380
yeah it is it's and you know another

1160
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:10,260
scary part to me is as you said this

1161
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:13,980
stuff happened before I was born and you

1162
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,160
know if we cannot uncover and dig up

1163
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,200
what happened with the Deep State back

1164
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:21,599
then just imagine the power that it has

1165
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:22,619
now

1166
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,099
absolutely I think just from my

1167
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:27,839
perspective you know

1168
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:30,230
um this is just such a historic

1169
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:31,380
[Music]

1170
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:34,980
um piece of American history and the gun

1171
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,560
that we own

1172
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,300
um definitely had a piece of it had a

1173
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:42,420
part in it and I'm excited to see you

1174
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:45,300
know if we can close this out once and

1175
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,740
for all through the investigative work

1176
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:48,240
that the production team had done

1177
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,500
they've been all over the country

1178
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:51,960
filming interviewing

1179
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,079
um individuals and it's pretty amazing

1180
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:56,640
what's going to come out in this whole

1181
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:57,540
thing

1182
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:58,980
well I think you're doing the right

1183
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,319
thing I think you know it's it's a shame

1184
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,119
that sir hanser hand is still locked up

1185
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,800
given the fact that the bullet was

1186
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:06,660
switched he was probably brainwashed or

1187
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:10,859
hypnotized and you know the the cover

1188
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:13,800
story is just got so many holes in it at

1189
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,680
this point and I I think that this this

1190
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,720
small town of Blue Mountain and the

1191
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:20,700
second gun Theory you know the way they

1192
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,880
just came through like literally an

1193
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,220
eraser to erase the history of what took

1194
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:28,619
place there all due to this snapping

1195
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:31,859
turtle is fascinating in my opinion how

1196
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,220
these little things can undo these major

1197
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,460
political plans and you know to think

1198
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,740
that a snapping turtle is going to cause

1199
00:51:45,069 --> 00:51:43,380
all of that to just go into this crazy

1200
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:45,079
rabbit hole

1201
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,380
unbelievable yeah the the story uh that

1202
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,660
we always wanted to tell was you know

1203
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,520
consequences of what happens in the

1204
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,030
character shows up which is the gun the

1205
00:52:03,849 --> 00:52:01,800
gun is the character and and um our

1206
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,859
script was always around you know

1207
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,760
flashbacks to the assassination

1208
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,859
throughout the movie but really focusing

1209
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:10,200
on a sheriff who was losing control of

1210
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,900
the Town bad things were happening kids

1211
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:15,420
were dying all chaos and hell was

1212
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:18,780
breaking loose and could not you know

1213
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,540
could not contain the situation and no

1214
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,579
one understood that it was linked to

1215
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:26,160
Robert Kennedy's assassination and I

1216
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,380
think the the story itself is called

1217
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:29,760
Blue Mountain and it's it's an

1218
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:31,160
interesting script

1219
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:33,619
the work that I've been involved with

1220
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:37,319
recently is documented documentary which

1221
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:38,819
is documenting

1222
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:41,819
uh all of the facts around the

1223
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,500
investigation from the polka dot Theory

1224
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:45,540
to The Manchurian Candidate Theory to

1225
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,819
the second gun Theory and so much more

1226
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,579
and I think uh I think viewers will be

1227
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,640
really Amazed by what's uncovered in the

1228
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,720
documentary

1229
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:56,700
I know I can't wait it's going to be

1230
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:57,900
epic

1231
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,420
um I'm I obviously pray for your safety

1232
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:02,220
just being in these circles and having

1233
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:03,480
such a

1234
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:06,540
tragic piece of not only truth but

1235
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:08,819
memorabilia there having to do with

1236
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:12,059
the history of this country but it does

1237
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,520
seem as if this this could be one of the

1238
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,800
keys if not the key to kind of unwind

1239
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:19,140
this whole thing as far as ballistics

1240
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,520
and

1241
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:22,800
um yeah I'll definitely try to stay in

1242
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,059
touch with you I can't thank you enough

1243
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,220
for coming on today is there any last

1244
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,740
things or parting tidbits you want to

1245
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:30,960
touch base on before I keep ranting

1246
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:33,720
about all this no I I definitely will

1247
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:35,099
let you know when the documentary is

1248
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:37,079
coming out so maybe you can give us a

1249
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,960
little PR out there to your list of um I

1250
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:41,160
will just say

1251
00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:43,800
you know all things being equal if the

1252
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:45,059
gun had nothing to do with the

1253
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,160
assassination then why did the events of

1254
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,200
Blue Mountain happen

1255
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,780
um and to this day that will always sit

1256
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:53,940
with me so

1257
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:57,599
that's it oh that's amazing and what

1258
00:54:03,049 --> 00:53:59,460
name what name should we keep an eye out

1259
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:05,390
or do we should we not hit that yet

1260
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,020
yeah I think TBD right now but um we'll

1261
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,760
see I'll let you know as soon as we get

1262
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,559
the name announced

1263
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,260
man I love her she's amazing so much

1264
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,480
valuable information too okay moving on

1265
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:21,119
well we're brought back to the fact that

1266
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:24,780
MK Ultra plays a part in many conspiracy

1267
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,740
theories

1268
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,440
given its nature and the deconstruction

1269
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:31,680
of most records we have people that are

1270
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,660
covered under ndas

1271
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,240
and usually subcontracted through

1272
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:38,040
sub-llc's

1273
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,339
that are held in the

1274
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,440
top secret

1275
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,960
filing cabinets of larger corporations

1276
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:48,960
who are protected by the government and

1277
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,059
there's project artichoke I mean let's

1278
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:53,760
get into this because artichoke was a

1279
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:58,140
real project its objective was

1280
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,740
to gather information from prisoners not

1281
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:03,720
hypnotize people into Shooters however

1282
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:06,839
there are many who claim that there was

1283
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:10,920
MK Ultra aspects to project artichoke it

1284
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:13,079
was a CIA project that researched

1285
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:16,140
interrogation methods and it arose from

1286
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,579
Project Bluebird on August 20th 1951. it

1287
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,800
was run by the office of scientific

1288
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,140
intelligence that's one of the cia's

1289
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,140
more lesser-known offices and a

1290
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:30,720
memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA

1291
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:33,420
director Alan Welsh Dulles indicated

1292
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:37,140
artichoke became project MK Ultra on

1293
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:38,660
April 13

1294
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:42,260
1953 where it Incorporated

1295
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:46,319
hypnosis forced morphine addiction and

1296
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:49,500
subsequent forced withdrawal that's

1297
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,760
important

1298
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,040
because the use of other chemicals as

1299
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:55,500
well as LSD and other methods to produce

1300
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:58,859
Amnesia and other vulnerable States in

1301
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:01,980
subject was highly needed that deer in

1302
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,920
the headlights look is not a mistake now

1303
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:07,079
artichoke was an offensive program of

1304
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,780
mind control that gathered information

1305
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:12,000
with intelligence divisions of the Army

1306
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,240
Navy Air Force and even the FBI there's

1307
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:17,280
a lot of cross-pollination when it comes

1308
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,900
to all of these intelligence

1309
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:20,760
organizations

1310
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,339
the scope of the project was outlined in

1311
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:26,520
a memo dated January 1952 that stated

1312
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,700
can we get control of an individual and

1313
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:31,140
this is in quotes

1314
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,200
can we get control of an individual to

1315
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:36,480
the point where he will do our bidding

1316
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:39,300
against his will and even against

1317
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,140
fundamental laws of nature such as

1318
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:44,880
self-preservation now that is scary

1319
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:47,640
scary stuff when you look at the true

1320
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:51,420
goal of what these projects

1321
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:55,319
MK Ultra mind control projects had in

1322
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:00,480
mind to commit atrocities even while

1323
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,140
not caring about themselves now these

1324
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:06,480
are these are not just accusations these

1325
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:10,020
are actual documents that we we this is

1326
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:12,540
not just for fun these are operations

1327
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:16,500
and secret Arrangements that very much

1328
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,559
had to do with major aspects of our

1329
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:22,079
country's history let's not lose sight

1330
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:26,040
of the bigger picture that there is

1331
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,160
a lot of evidence that Mossad was

1332
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:30,720
involved from an intelligence

1333
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:34,140
perspective in these assassination

1334
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,280
attempts

1335
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:37,920
now these are not missing links to the

1336
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:46,130
Zionist connections we have the payment

1337
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,339
to Thane Caesar in diamonds which

1338
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,859
not to get stereotypically connected but

1339
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:55,380
diamonds were used as many of the

1340
00:58:02,569 --> 00:57:59,400
gemstone files attribute to paying off

1341
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,579
assets of intelligence informs other

1342
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,040
than cash because it's not traceable of

1343
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,440
course let's not forget

1344
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,900
about Meyer Lansky

1345
00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:11,640
because this is a guy who's paying them

1346
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:13,859
off I mean at the top of the totem pole

1347
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,200
Meyer Lansky comes up again and again

1348
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,440
the connections to both Kennedy

1349
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,440
assassinations are various and when

1350
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,420
anybody says that the mob was run by

1351
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:26,339
Italians at this point I believe they're

1352
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:28,740
completely wrong it was run by Meyer

1353
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,280
Lansky these two assassinations of two

1354
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:35,520
brothers are tied and tied intimately to

1355
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,700
one another so Israel exploited the

1356
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:41,400
Western Powers long history of opium

1357
00:58:49,789 --> 00:58:45,780
trafficking now Mossad has always had a

1358
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:49,799
large hand in the dealings of the West

1359
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,140
let's not forget many of the connections

1360
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:54,599
to the mega group Epstein and things in

1361
00:58:59,569 --> 00:58:56,940
more recent times stuff has not really

1362
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,579
changed all that much

1363
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,160
I believe that the rudimentary

1364
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:04,680
tools that we are discussing MK Ultra

1365
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:08,160
and these honey pots of disinformation

1366
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,420
and control via different intelligence

1367
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:15,839
aspects worldwide dealing specifically

1368
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:17,960
with organized crime syndicates

1369
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:20,760
extremely protected top secret

1370
00:59:26,809 --> 00:59:23,400
organizations and companies corporations

1371
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,819
to be exact still continue although

1372
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:28,559
protections against them still continue

1373
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,640
as well I am reminded of a scary story

1374
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,099
of a small boy running towards a ravine

1375
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,859
down a bridge that was being chased by a

1376
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,200
van a strange man that pulled up on this

1377
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:42,079
eight-year-old boy in Tacoma Washington

1378
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:45,540
and the kid knew something was wrong

1379
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:48,059
now the boy's parents his grandfather

1380
00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:49,799
and the police took the incident

1381
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,520
extremely seriously the media later

1382
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,020
would disclose what the grandfather was

1383
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:57,359
worth at least in their opinion I'm sure

1384
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:59,220
he was worth much more we're talking

1385
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,980
about the grandfather being Meyer Lansky

1386
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:05,040
a very pivotal person in our history and

1387
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,280
I'm talking major worth we're talking

1388
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:11,040
about Meyer Lansky's grandson that's

1389
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:14,280
right he was almost abducted he got a

1390
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:16,680
new name the boy's parents divorced

1391
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:19,619
seven years later and shortly after this

1392
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:21,480
boy arrived at his new home in Southern

1393
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,680
California

1394
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,440
with his mother and he learned that he

1395
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,599
would be getting a new name and that

1396
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:30,240
name would be Brian Mason

1397
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,180
now it was not a chosen name but if you

1398
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:35,700
look at the name it has a lot to do with

1399
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,740
the connections to Freemasonry in my

1400
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:39,720
opinion and many of the intelligence

1401
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:42,780
organizations the name Mason is often

1402
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:46,619
used so growing up this boy knew that he

1403
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:48,119
could never have anything of the

1404
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:50,220
gangster life because he was the

1405
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,940
grandson of Meyer Lansky he had a

1406
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:56,160
grandfather who was all about it

1407
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,160
immersed in it and made many of the top

1408
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,559
decisions in a lot of organized crime

1409
01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:04,079
not to mention that Meyer Lansky was

1410
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:06,059
also the accountant he knew where the

1411
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:07,619
money would go on a lot of these

1412
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:11,099
projects that had ties to intelligence

1413
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,579
whether that be on a more organized

1414
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,040
crime perspective or more of a political

1415
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:19,260
government perspective they were all

1416
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:21,859
interconnected in an octopus of control

1417
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,220
and within the cranial epicenter of

1418
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,280
control was Meyer Lansky he was aware of

1419
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:31,680
all movements especially the financial

1420
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:34,740
ones so just to think that you cannot be

1421
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:38,040
involved in such major moves and expect

1422
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:40,859
your future generations to be exempt

1423
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,339
from some of the possible harm that may

1424
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:47,280
come to them you can imagine my fear of

1425
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:49,500
having family members sitting on

1426
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:51,900
possession of the gun that killed Bobby

1427
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:54,420
Kennedy this is a gun that everywhere it

1428
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:56,900
goes there is a trail of death behind it

1429
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:00,980
luckily as you heard Lori keeps this gun

1430
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:04,500
in a safe place off-site away from her

1431
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:07,260
family intelligently in a chain of

1432
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,859
command style where it cannot be traced

1433
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:13,680
back to their well-being these are very

1434
01:02:19,789 --> 01:02:17,339
real concerns because time does not seem

1435
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,799
to be a safe enough buffer to protect

1436
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,319
somebody or even their grandchildren in

1437
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:24,660
the case of Meyer Lansky Meyer Lansky

1438
01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,260
was a shot caller he was the Boss Of All

1439
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,780
Bosses and to break it down for everyone

1440
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:33,000
he was at the top of the totem pole

1441
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:36,780
having to do with many of these heavily

1442
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:41,640
CIA and Mossad influenced assassinations

1443
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,579
Meyer along with a few of his closest

1444
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,799
buddies started the national crime

1445
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:49,200
syndicate which was later termed murder

1446
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,640
Incorporated

1447
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,280
this was a business an assassination

1448
01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:55,980
business Lansky was connected to George

1449
01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:58,619
Montello also known as or better known

1450
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:02,880
as George Mandel who utilizing plausible

1451
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:04,859
deniability through a Mossad front

1452
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:09,240
company founded by him called perm index

1453
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:12,540
made this all happen perm index was a

1454
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,700
financial holding company an

1455
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:16,440
assassination company

1456
01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:19,920
literally and it assassinated

1457
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,619
through its connections John F Kennedy

1458
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:25,680
Robert Kennedy Martin Luther King and

1459
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:27,960
many others we're talking about major

1460
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,880
money laundering

1461
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:31,980
through and connected to Meyer Lansky

1462
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,180
equaling assassinations worldwide and

1463
01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:39,119
this is the proof that the Mafia the CIA

1464
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:41,540
and the Mossad were all working together

1465
01:03:49,309 --> 01:03:46,380
worldwide Sirhan Sirhan and Oswald were

1466
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:49,319
just patsies in my opinion they were set

1467
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:53,040
up and set up well in fact many of the

1468
01:03:57,789 --> 01:03:55,319
same scenarios took place in both cases

1469
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,799
I mean they lost

1470
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:00,720
Oswald's fingerprints they had bullet

1471
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:04,559
switching with Sirhan Sirhan we have

1472
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:08,520
William Joseph Bryan the heavyweight MK

1473
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:11,940
Ultra operative who carried out some of

1474
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,660
the greatest Patsy brainwashing ever and

1475
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:17,220
this is some serious psychological

1476
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:19,559
warfare that if it was not for him

1477
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:21,720
bragging to call girls

1478
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:23,460
we may have not made some of these

1479
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:27,200
connections now this was a heavy weight

1480
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:31,619
in the MK Ultra game and with obvious

1481
01:04:38,809 --> 01:04:34,920
ties to the Bobby Kennedy assassination

1482
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:38,819
through his hypnosis of Sirhan Sirhan it

1483
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:41,700
seems as if he was disposed of at age

1484
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:44,819
50. in the spring of 1977 Brian was

1485
01:04:50,809 --> 01:04:48,420
found dead in a Las Vegas motel room I

1486
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:50,819
think in an inebriated status he just

1487
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:53,099
said too much to the wrong people now

1488
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,319
get this if this doesn't have conspiracy

1489
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:57,540
written all over it his cause of death

1490
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:00,660
was confirmed before any official

1491
01:05:05,870 --> 01:05:03,240
autopsy and the details were all over

1492
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,880
the map and inconsistent some reports

1493
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:07,319
assert that he died of a heart attack

1494
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,180
others stated he was shot to death

1495
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,460
others claim he committed suicide after

1496
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,440
having a three-day party of sorts with

1497
01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:16,319
two underage prostitutes the truth is we

1498
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:20,099
will never exactly know last but not

1499
01:05:27,650 --> 01:05:23,940
least Brian was a close friend of JFK

1500
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:27,660
plot suspect David Ferry he taught fairy

1501
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,359
hypnosis and they were both members of

1502
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:32,480
the old Catholic Church a Secret order

1503
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:35,040
and a secret society

1504
01:05:40,210 --> 01:05:37,319
and that's the case with a lot of these

1505
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,220
things is we may never exactly know

1506
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,200
exactly what happened but I think we

1507
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:45,660
have a greater sense of the larger

1508
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,720
scheme of things and have an idea of

1509
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,640
what happened in a general sense and

1510
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:52,740
that's as close as we can get

1511
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,260
in The Pursuit Of Truth

1512
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:57,359
we know some shady business took place

1513
01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:59,819
we know people were killed we know who

1514
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:02,040
did it and what else do you really need

1515
01:06:07,390 --> 01:06:04,500
to know we know those who have looked at

1516
01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:07,400
the files have declared that in fact

1517
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:10,380
intelligence was involved

1518
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:12,660
now regardless what you think of Roger

1519
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:15,240
Stone or Donald Trump there is an

1520
01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:17,040
interesting tidbit in a conversation

1521
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,599
they both had

1522
01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:20,960
this is undeniable at this point in fact

1523
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:24,359
Roger Stone said that in speaking to

1524
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:26,280
Donald Trump

1525
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:29,819
Trump told him that it was too ugly to

1526
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:32,039
ever see the light of day when speaking

1527
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:33,599
of these files

1528
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:36,720
nothing but lies seemed to permeate the

1529
01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:40,440
entire official narrative in both JFK

1530
01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:43,079
and Bobby Kennedy's assassinations we

1531
01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:44,099
have

1532
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:46,859
various accounts of how many bullets

1533
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:50,640
were found fired shots heard it's all

1534
01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:53,579
over the map and it's all lies there

1535
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:56,099
were probably multiple assassins

1536
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:59,099
in both scenarios in fact I'm sure there

1537
01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:00,660
were multiple assassins and probably

1538
01:07:07,069 --> 01:07:04,440
quite a few in the case of JFK unpacking

1539
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,079
that conspiracy Woody Harrelson's father

1540
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:09,420
was even implicated there may have been

1541
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:11,700
so many Hitmen he was a professional

1542
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:14,579
Hitman by the way Woody Harrelson's

1543
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:15,900
father

1544
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,780
Charles Harrison was a hitman he was

1545
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,119
most famous for carrying out the first

1546
01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:23,220
ever murder of a sitting federal judge

1547
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:24,780
in the United States

1548
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:28,440
during a standoff with police

1549
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:30,900
he not only admitted to killing the

1550
01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:33,720
judge but also President John F Kennedy

1551
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,619
who was assassinated in 1963. many claim

1552
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:40,319
there were multiple assassins there

1553
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,660
I believe the same is true with Bobby

1554
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:45,119
Kennedy and the house committee

1555
01:07:49,549 --> 01:07:47,880
investigations into JFK and the

1556
01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:49,559
investigations

1557
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,780
by the government into Bobby Kennedy

1558
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,520
have been nothing but cover-ups in my

1559
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,500
opinion and the opinion of countless

1560
01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:58,140
others at least in one way or another

1561
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:01,079
there is always someone involved in the

1562
01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:03,480
investigation who is there to sweep

1563
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:05,220
things under the rug so that they are

1564
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:08,940
not seen in the case of JFK we have

1565
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,960
George joannitas and I believe that this

1566
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,839
is common you know we have people who

1567
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:17,759
are placed in positions

1568
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,040
where they have the ability

1569
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,040
to cover up whatever investigation it is

1570
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:25,620
they are a part of it's easiest to do

1571
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,259
from the inside not the outside

1572
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,199
George johannitas was the head of

1573
01:08:37,309 --> 01:08:34,799
psychological warfare for Jam wave and

1574
01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:37,319
when the house assassination committee

1575
01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:41,420
was formed the CIA assigned George

1576
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:44,580
jonesidis as their primary point of

1577
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:45,779
contact

1578
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:49,020
so he cleaned everything up he covered

1579
01:08:52,010 --> 01:08:50,940
everything up Swift everything up under

1580
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,020
the rug

1581
01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:55,140
something that is often overlooked is

1582
01:09:01,729 --> 01:09:00,060
George Bush's part in all this and the

1583
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:01,739
reason I bring that up is George Bush

1584
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:04,739
was in Daily Plaza the day of the

1585
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:06,900
shooting with JFK

1586
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:09,540
George Bush Senior when he got into

1587
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:11,580
office did everything he could to clean

1588
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:13,739
up the whole operation including his

1589
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:16,500
presence there however a letter that

1590
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:18,660
made it to the National Archives

1591
01:09:24,169 --> 01:09:21,239
proved that he was in fact there it was

1592
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:24,179
just a family letter and he flew out on

1593
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:27,359
a private plane in fact in a book named

1594
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,299
family of Secrets by Russ Baker

1595
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:32,640
there are detailed descriptions and

1596
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,219
allegations connecting the Bush family

1597
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:37,199
and of course the Central Intelligence

1598
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:39,660
Agency the book asserts that President

1599
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:42,299
George H.W bush was linked to the

1600
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:45,199
Watergate scandal and the assassination

1601
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:48,900
of John F Kennedy and by that

1602
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:51,839
Association Robert Kennedy

1603
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,380
so here are the meat and potatoes

1604
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,840
the highest levels of Elites who are in

1605
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:00,719
the most prominent positions of Power

1606
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:04,739
are involved in occult rituals and these

1607
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:07,260
two assassinations have occult aspects

1608
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:09,960
written all over them however trying to

1609
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:12,300
prove this to people in general is often

1610
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,980
enough for the majority of folks to lose

1611
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:16,500
interest and walk off so I'm going to

1612
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:18,600
move forward just asserting that this is

1613
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:22,739
a fact but there are occult implications

1614
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:26,100
nuts and bolts what happened

1615
01:10:33,050 --> 01:10:30,060
well as far as Robert Kennedy the

1616
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,060
shooter was Thane Caesar

1617
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:35,760
as far as JFK multiple Shooters are

1618
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,940
involved from The Book Depository

1619
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,460
building the shooters were

1620
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:43,040
Sergio

1621
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,300
arkacha Smith

1622
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:48,000
Lawrence Howard and Lauren Hall

1623
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:49,620
and of course

1624
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:53,280
the shooter the well-known kill shot

1625
01:11:00,169 --> 01:10:57,780
was done by Jack Valenti who was CIA a

1626
01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:00,179
graduate of Harvard Business School both

1627
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,540
parents had ties to the mafia a definite

1628
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:06,960
spook and was on the payroll now keep in

1629
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:10,260
mind that Sergio arcasha Smith Lawrence

1630
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:12,900
Howard and Lauren Hall were working with

1631
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,620
both CIA and the quote-unquote mob not

1632
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:18,360
to say there weren't other Shooters and

1633
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,800
a whole bunch of others involved so

1634
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:21,840
don't get caught up the power of the

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01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,699
secret government over the news media

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01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:26,880
continues unabated that power has only

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01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,580
grown since these events

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01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:32,159
and justifiably it is known that by way

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01:11:36,530 --> 01:11:34,920
of masonic sorcery the union of opposing

1640
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:36,540
principles is supposed to be brought

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01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,179
about and people that practice Masonic

1642
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:41,760
sorcery are those in control

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01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:44,100
Bush senior and Bush Jr were both

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01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:46,140
members of Skull and Bones speaking of

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01:11:51,850 --> 01:11:47,699
masonic sorcery

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01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:51,860
ironically when George Bush seniors son

1647
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,020
who also became President also Skull and

1648
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:58,080
Bones initiated George W bush dedicated

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01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,060
the Department of Justice headquarters

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01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:03,360
in Robert F Kennedy's Honor on November

1651
01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:07,560
25th 2001. on the day he formally named

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01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,940
the department after her father

1653
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:14,159
Carrie Kennedy denounced the

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administration for allegedly infringing

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01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,540
on constitutional rights in its

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01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,000
prosecution of the war on terrorism this

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01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:23,520
was obviously adding insult to injury in

1658
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:27,120
her opinion and who would know better

1659
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:30,300
few families in U.S history have

1660
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:32,280
succumbed to the losses the Kennedys

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01:12:36,649 --> 01:12:33,300
have

1662
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:36,659
sadly these losses were at the hands of

1663
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:39,480
a global zionist-affiliated Syndicate of

1664
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:42,360
intelligence and organized crime octopus

1665
01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:45,659
of control comprised of the CIA Mossad

1666
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:49,340
and other criminal organizations

1667
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:52,620
backed behind the spiritual veil by

1668
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:56,040
Elite occult rituals and an Endeavor to

1669
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,199
bring about syncretism in opposing

1670
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:01,080
principles of a Mystic power and Via

1671
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:03,719
Masonic sorcery rebuild the Temple of

1672
01:13:10,570 --> 01:13:07,800
Solomon and create and concrete a one

1673
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:10,580
world government and New World Order

1674
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:13,560
finally I would like to close

1675
01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:16,980
with a quote from Robert F Kennedy who

1676
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:20,219
spoke movingly about what was the need

1677
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:23,640
for love and compassion crazy ideas

1678
01:13:29,149 --> 01:13:26,340
at the end of his victory speech at the

1679
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:29,159
Ambassador Hotel Kennedy said

1680
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:31,560
I think we can end the divisions within

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01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,300
the United States

1682
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,880
what I think is quite clear is that we

1683
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:38,880
can work together in the last analysis

1684
01:13:43,729 --> 01:13:41,460
and what has been going on with the

1685
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:43,739
United States over the period of the

1686
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,520
last three years the divisions the

1687
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,920
violence the disenchantment with our

1688
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:51,060
society

1689
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,860
the divisions

1690
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,719
whether it's been black and white

1691
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:56,880
between the poor and the more affluent

1692
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:00,719
or between age groups or over the war in

1693
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:03,060
Vietnam that we can start to work

1694
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,540
together again we are a great country an

1695
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:09,120
unselfish country and a compassionate

1696
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,140
country

1697
01:14:15,169 --> 01:14:12,780
as I intend to make that my basis for

1698
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:15,179
running over the period of the next few

1699
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:16,440
months

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01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:19,920
minutes later he was shot

1701
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,860
hours later he died

1702
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,440
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1704
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1707
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:39,600
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1708
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very real Shadow ban also if you have

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:10,320
skies feet on the ground but don't

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01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:29,030
[Music]

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come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I